I just watched Lenny Henry with Paul Whitehouse, you know where I am going with that… Anyhow, enjoy your enthusiasm, I have an A1ii on order… upgrading from an A7R4 .. resolution+fps+tracking+precapture and the flappy floppy screen .. thx again for the entertainment ..Guy P.S I think you have your stereo mic the wrong way round .. rough to listen to with voices and people on opposite sides .. P.P.S .. salute to you both for loving what you do with passion
Great commentary. I enjoyed the 'pub style' chat. For me, having picked up an A7rV in the past few months and the 300 2.8, I'll need to wait a year or so before considering any upgrades. Who knows, maybe Sony will release a newer A7r with pre-release and 15fps.
A7V, 100% won't be stacked sensor, but for sure around 15-20 fps (more likely 15-16), and could get pre-capture function and AI algorythms for better autofocus for sure. The second (AI) is more than obvious. That's just my guess after reading those rumors.
I’ve seen the posts, videos and comments about it being a disappointing upgrade, and I totally disagree about that too….& I don’t even have an A1 ii on pre order!
Smart move from Sony using the same body, it spreads the tooling investments out across more units. I wonder if they will use the same body for the A7R6 when it comes, that would be an even smarter move.
From 2011-2016 I did a fair bit of astro imaging (telescopes, motorised EQ mounts, cooled mono CCDs & other accessories all under computer control). Typical subjects were galaxy’s and nebular, these were mostly very faint. You would have to shoot many long exposures of the same target, accurately tracking it during the course of the exposure AND during the course of the night. 20 minute exposures were not unusual. You might be out multiple nights shooting from dusk till dawn to get enough exposure on a subject to then post process. You would then stack all the exposures to combine them into one to build up enough signal. Noise is random, but signal from the subject is consistent, so over time, the noise would average out, but the light from the subject would build up. You’d also shoot many ‘dark frame’ calibration shots, these again would average out the noise, then you could subtract the dark frame noise from your exposure of the subject and this would subtract out the noise, leaving mainly signal from the image. It’s kind of similar to the new noise reduction option in the A1 ii. While the technique would well for astro imaging, I personally don’t think I’d use it much in normal daylight shooting.
As I recently got a used A9iii, I’m not sure I can justify buying the A1 ii aswell….and, I’m not sure I’d want to trade the A9iii in to get the A1 ii. I have a GFX 50R for my hi res landscape type shots.
I still think you will get extra shots with the A9III. I have at 60fps. As long as your subject is close enough which is what we are all aiming for the A9III is the better camera. I would not be too disappointed and did consider delaying the A1 mark 2 purchase for six months when Sony will knock off £500 no doubt 🤔
@ interesting discussion between the two of you re A1 ii though, I did enjoy it. I am tempted doing what you both are doing, and adding an A1 ii alongside the A9iii, because their bodies are identical that really helps & then you can pick the body most suited. I have an A7R3 & an A7Siii I could potentially sell / trade in aswell….I’ve actually got the money in the bank so I don’t need to sell / trade in, but it’s more a question of justifying the purchase for me. I still feel I have a lot of growing room with the A9iii, and alot of learning. I’m very happy with the A9iii and don’t want to sell it.
@@TheLDunn1 Thanks very much. Well it is nice to have the options but at the end of the day it has to be down to personal choice. I will keep my A9III and P/X my A6700
Thanks for the video, I think the A1 II is a good upgrade if you are a wildlife photographer. It would have been nice to get to 8K 60fps, but overall very excited to upgrade to the A1 II (hopefully before Christmas also).
Toward the end of the video you both discuss options for people on a limited budget picking up a used A1. As both of you are keeping your A9iii and adding the A1 ii to your arsenal, it seems to me that folk might have the option of picking up a used A1 OR a used A9iii…..both are likely to be around the £4k to £4.5k mark. So, just put of interest, which would you guys go for?
Well it depends what you shoot and if you want the latest tech . The A9III is the technically superior camera and you willl get shots that you won't with the A1. I have found this using the A9III for the last 4 months. But if you want the best quality and ability to crop then the A1 is the choice between the two. Personally given the choice now I would purchase a n A9III . The good news is both should be available and hopefully a third cheaper second hand 👍
@ yeah, that was what I was thinking when you were discussion about folk being able to pick up the A1 cheaper now on the used market, it’s still going to be £4-£4.5k….and that is what I picked up my A9iii used for…..and for me, I’d much rather have a used A9iii than a used A1. Think I got pretty lucky picking up a used A9iii when & for what I did though.
I think as soon as people hear a new model has the same sensor as the previous model they think it only minor updates but that is so wrong. I shoot Canon r5ii and l set it to 15 frames per second to keep buffer from filling too quick as don't need the 30 fps it offers.
Hardware wise A1II doesn't bring anything new that wasn't already introduced in previous models. Have this fear u'll regret buying A1II when A7V or A7RVI release. They're due for a refresh next year. Likely will have a next gen BIONZ processor. Think the processor is the reason why A1II can't do 8k60.
The A7v or A7Rvi will never be the best for wildlife photography with slower frame rate and black-out in EVF making following birds flying difficult. That latter reason was why I traded my A7Rv for the A9iii in the first place. The A1ii in my view combines the best features of the previous A1 and A9ii into one camera. The specs are everything I have wanted in a wildlife camera, and find it hard to think of anything more required, unless you are big into video.
A7V/A7Rvi won't be the best for wildlife because they target different segments. Even when compared to the original A1 it would still be better due mainly for the stacked sensor. A7/A7R will probably not get stacked sensor. No doubt hands down A1II will still be a beast flagship for wildlife when A7V/A7Rvi release. When A1 released it gave up a huge leap forward. Even today nothing has surpassed the stack sensor capabilities. Plus the BIONZ XR chip was relatively new. This allowed the A1 to reign supreme for years. The A1II brought everything new Sony had prior which is awesome, I love those new stuff, but nothing different was added except auto subject detection. Sensor being reused is understandable, but they missed their opportunity to upgrade the BIONZ chip. This is probably responsible for the EVF refresh rate dropping during active AF operations. Not enough juice to keep it going while the A9III with lower MP can. BIONZ XR is a 4yr old chip being reused. In another couple years it would be 6-7yrs old. Doesn't have enough overhead leg room for added features. Let say the A7V/A7Rvi gets a new BIONZ XR2 chip mid next year enabling it to do multiple subject detection while labeling type of bird/animal in real-time? Not saying it will happen but would be amazing right? No way this will hinder the A1II ability to shoot wildlife but it is cool feature that can't be added via firmware. Other companies would put their latest tech in a flagship then trickle down. Sony does it by releasing whatever new without reserves even in a entry line. When A7RV released I was very enticed by the new AI AF + 4axis LCD screen. So much it deterred be from getting an A1. I wasn't big into wildlife then so that plays into decision making. Now I am more into birding. Slower FPS & blackout is annoying but manageable. I want an A1II but it leaves me a bit uncertain. Maybe best I wait till A7V release to decide. Half of this is from a bad experience with Fuji. Bought a X-H1 on release day before a Safari trip. That camera was basically a X-T2 with new IBIS as the sole new feature. X-T2 was basically a rehash of X-T1. Essentially it used old hardware. Shortly after X-T3 released with all new hardware, new sensor, new chip, etc. This rendered the X-H1 flagship status out of the picture. I still used the X-H1 the next 4yrs, love it, but left a sour taste when everyone looked down on it as flub.
@@Battlem0nk I would never wait for what may come later. The A1ii is a fantastic camera for wildlife photography which nothing in the Sony line will surpass until the A1iii follows in 3-4 years. I was never one bitter with Sony for lack of firmware updates on the original A1. From the outside we don't know what is possible to add and if the camera does all promised as purchased, then anything later added is a bonus, and not to be expected.
@@Jonathantuba No doubt if I actually "need" to buy today then A1ii is hands down the one to get. I am in the situation where I don't "need" it. A7RV is getting me by and A1ii is more of a "want" and can probably wait a little. A7V is around the corner. Rumor says Q1 2025. Couple years ago my intent was to buy an A1 but got to play with the A7RV that just released. The improved AI AF + 4-axis screen made a big enough feature difference. A1 felt bit lacking despite being the superior camera. Had I bought the A1 sooner then saw the A7RV later then I'd be jealous & bit regretful not having the AI AF + 4-axis screen. A1ii fan response is rather conflicting. Many voice disappointment calling it a minor refresh and R5ii/Z9 offer mostly the same for much less etc. Doesn't make it very encouraging when deciding to buy or not. Guess it boils down to what features you prioritize/value more.
nothing new here, sony have taken taken items from Panasonic, Olympus & fuji and stuffed them in the A1.2 pretty ingenious Sony. I have these features in the aforementioned cameras, but you now have them in one camera. cool.
Image perspective is depended, I don't think there is anything to be jealous of (at 0:37). It's average image in average scene, but nothing in perspective of spectacular. Photos that are winning awards, could make you beeing jelaous of. :) PS. My personal opinion: Calling you a "local wildlife photographer" is a little of unkind.. Saying such words about another photographer like that is unacceptable even if you would 100% be joking. I have no freaking idea, but that's a serious problem, how high ego SOME of these people have, who visited just even once African safari, and after that they feel as they are now in a "National Geographic photographers" category xD That's crazy. No hate, I am always objective in my statement.
Jonathans Hippo shot on my "what equipment to take on Safari" video came second in a major Competition, and one a thousand pounds. The First prize was 10K 😠. You could say the shot at 0:37 is just a few cats in the tracks. But the depth of field having the two lead Cats in focus and the rest behind in deep rutted pale dusty tracks takes it to another level. But we will see. I believe Jonathan will be entering that one into competitions in due course . Beauty of course is in the eye of the beholder and it's my subjective opinion, but I think he has another winner there 🤔
@@CamillaI I've seen a leopad killing an aligator holding it's head in the mouth, looking straight into camera. That was a thrilling photo. If we now compare these cats just walking to that, you know.. If you make a trip to safari, you always will come with some great photos, but these are like a photos you suspect coming back with. Still, I don't like jokes around other people, and it's not like I have no distance, because I am known of beeing a humoristic guy, who jokes a lot, but I feel a small drop of pinch when he called you "local photographer".
@@pentagramyt417 My channel "Camilla & I" is all about local Accessible wildlife photography , which is what Jonathan was referring to not my level of photography. I have two pics in the final of this years BWPA for example which Jonathan has admired it is certainly not just about going abroad to get the shots. Not on "Camilla & I" anyway
I pre-ordered within minutes of the announcement. Pretty much what I wished was on the A1 is now on it so it ticks all the boxes.
Yes it is pretty much the perfect camera for wildlife at the moment 👍
I just watched Lenny Henry with Paul Whitehouse, you know where I am going with that… Anyhow, enjoy your enthusiasm, I have an A1ii on order… upgrading from an A7R4 .. resolution+fps+tracking+precapture and the flappy floppy screen .. thx again for the entertainment ..Guy P.S I think you have your stereo mic the wrong way round .. rough to listen to with voices and people on opposite sides .. P.P.S .. salute to you both for loving what you do with passion
Well thanks very much. I must investigate what I did wrong with the audio 🤔
It's a no-brainer for bird photography. I suspect I will barely use my A9iii much more now.
Unless I go on Safari with Jonathan and need two bodies, I agree 🤔
Great commentary. I enjoyed the 'pub style' chat. For me, having picked up an A7rV in the past few months and the 300 2.8, I'll need to wait a year or so before considering any upgrades. Who knows, maybe Sony will release a newer A7r with pre-release and 15fps.
Thank you very much . There could certainly be some bargains to be had in the Sony line up in the New Year 🖐
A7V, 100% won't be stacked sensor, but for sure around 15-20 fps (more likely 15-16), and could get pre-capture function and AI algorythms for better autofocus for sure. The second (AI) is more than obvious. That's just my guess after reading those rumors.
I’ve seen the posts, videos and comments about it being a disappointing upgrade, and I totally disagree about that too….& I don’t even have an A1 ii on pre order!
For Wildlife it is definitely a big upgrade 🖐
Thanks for sharing your thoughts good luck to both of you with your new camera.
Thanks for watching!👍
Smart move from Sony using the same body, it spreads the tooling investments out across more units. I wonder if they will use the same body for the A7R6 when it comes, that would be an even smarter move.
Yes good call it certainly makes production sense
I would think this is now the new Sony body and hopefully with be on the A7v and A7R6 when they come out. Would make sense
@ hi Jonathan, yeah, I would be surprised if they did NOT use it on at least the A7R6 when it comes.
From 2011-2016 I did a fair bit of astro imaging (telescopes, motorised EQ mounts, cooled mono CCDs & other accessories all under computer control). Typical subjects were galaxy’s and nebular, these were mostly very faint. You would have to shoot many long exposures of the same target, accurately tracking it during the course of the exposure AND during the course of the night. 20 minute exposures were not unusual. You might be out multiple nights shooting from dusk till dawn to get enough exposure on a subject to then post process. You would then stack all the exposures to combine them into one to build up enough signal. Noise is random, but signal from the subject is consistent, so over time, the noise would average out, but the light from the subject would build up. You’d also shoot many ‘dark frame’ calibration shots, these again would average out the noise, then you could subtract the dark frame noise from your exposure of the subject and this would subtract out the noise, leaving mainly signal from the image. It’s kind of similar to the new noise reduction option in the A1 ii. While the technique would well for astro imaging, I personally don’t think I’d use it much in normal daylight shooting.
Interesting thanks for sharing 👍
As I recently got a used A9iii, I’m not sure I can justify buying the A1 ii aswell….and, I’m not sure I’d want to trade the A9iii in to get the A1 ii. I have a GFX 50R for my hi res landscape type shots.
I still think you will get extra shots with the A9III. I have at 60fps. As long as your subject is close enough which is what we are all aiming for the A9III is the better camera. I would not be too disappointed and did consider delaying the A1 mark 2 purchase for six months when Sony will knock off £500 no doubt 🤔
@ interesting discussion between the two of you re A1 ii though, I did enjoy it.
I am tempted doing what you both are doing, and adding an A1 ii alongside the A9iii, because their bodies are identical that really helps & then you can pick the body most suited. I have an A7R3 & an A7Siii I could potentially sell / trade in aswell….I’ve actually got the money in the bank so I don’t need to sell / trade in, but it’s more a question of justifying the purchase for me. I still feel I have a lot of growing room with the A9iii, and alot of learning. I’m very happy with the A9iii and don’t want to sell it.
@@TheLDunn1 Thanks very much. Well it is nice to have the options but at the end of the day it has to be down to personal choice. I will keep my A9III and P/X my A6700
@ yeah, agreed.
I’m already looking forward to your future videos about the A1 ii 😀
Thanks for the video, I think the A1 II is a good upgrade if you are a wildlife photographer. It would have been nice to get to 8K 60fps, but overall very excited to upgrade to the A1 II (hopefully before Christmas also).
Totally agree 👍
Toward the end of the video you both discuss options for people on a limited budget picking up a used A1.
As both of you are keeping your A9iii and adding the A1 ii to your arsenal, it seems to me that folk might have the option of picking up a used A1 OR a used A9iii…..both are likely to be around the £4k to £4.5k mark. So, just put of interest, which would you guys go for?
Well it depends what you shoot and if you want the latest tech . The A9III is the technically superior camera and you willl get shots that you won't with the A1. I have found this using the A9III for the last 4 months. But if you want the best quality and ability to crop then the A1 is the choice between the two. Personally given the choice now I would purchase a n A9III . The good news is both should be available and hopefully a third cheaper second hand 👍
@ yeah, that was what I was thinking when you were discussion about folk being able to pick up the A1 cheaper now on the used market, it’s still going to be £4-£4.5k….and that is what I picked up my A9iii used for…..and for me, I’d much rather have a used A9iii than a used A1. Think I got pretty lucky picking up a used A9iii when & for what I did though.
I think as soon as people hear a new model has the same sensor as the previous model they think it only minor updates but that is so wrong. I shoot Canon r5ii and l set it to 15 frames per second to keep buffer from filling too quick as don't need the 30 fps it offers.
Hardware wise A1II doesn't bring anything new that wasn't already introduced in previous models. Have this fear u'll regret buying A1II when A7V or A7RVI release. They're due for a refresh next year. Likely will have a next gen BIONZ processor. Think the processor is the reason why A1II can't do 8k60.
Time will tell, but I think the A1 mark 2 will still be the Flagship Camera . Hopefully Jonathan will pick up this thread and will have more to add 🤔
The A7v or A7Rvi will never be the best for wildlife photography with slower frame rate and black-out in EVF making following birds flying difficult. That latter reason was why I traded my A7Rv for the A9iii in the first place. The A1ii in my view combines the best features of the previous A1 and A9ii into one camera. The specs are everything I have wanted in a wildlife camera, and find it hard to think of anything more required, unless you are big into video.
A7V/A7Rvi won't be the best for wildlife because they target different segments. Even when compared to the original A1 it would still be better due mainly for the stacked sensor. A7/A7R will probably not get stacked sensor. No doubt hands down A1II will still be a beast flagship for wildlife when A7V/A7Rvi release.
When A1 released it gave up a huge leap forward. Even today nothing has surpassed the stack sensor capabilities. Plus the BIONZ XR chip was relatively new. This allowed the A1 to reign supreme for years. The A1II brought everything new Sony had prior which is awesome, I love those new stuff, but nothing different was added except auto subject detection.
Sensor being reused is understandable, but they missed their opportunity to upgrade the BIONZ chip. This is probably responsible for the EVF refresh rate dropping during active AF operations. Not enough juice to keep it going while the A9III with lower MP can. BIONZ XR is a 4yr old chip being reused. In another couple years it would be 6-7yrs old. Doesn't have enough overhead leg room for added features.
Let say the A7V/A7Rvi gets a new BIONZ XR2 chip mid next year enabling it to do multiple subject detection while labeling type of bird/animal in real-time? Not saying it will happen but would be amazing right? No way this will hinder the A1II ability to shoot wildlife but it is cool feature that can't be added via firmware.
Other companies would put their latest tech in a flagship then trickle down. Sony does it by releasing whatever new without reserves even in a entry line. When A7RV released I was very enticed by the new AI AF + 4axis LCD screen. So much it deterred be from getting an A1. I wasn't big into wildlife then so that plays into decision making. Now I am more into birding. Slower FPS & blackout is annoying but manageable.
I want an A1II but it leaves me a bit uncertain. Maybe best I wait till A7V release to decide. Half of this is from a bad experience with Fuji. Bought a X-H1 on release day before a Safari trip. That camera was basically a X-T2 with new IBIS as the sole new feature. X-T2 was basically a rehash of X-T1. Essentially it used old hardware. Shortly after X-T3 released with all new hardware, new sensor, new chip, etc. This rendered the X-H1 flagship status out of the picture. I still used the X-H1 the next 4yrs, love it, but left a sour taste when everyone looked down on it as flub.
@@Battlem0nk I would never wait for what may come later. The A1ii is a fantastic camera for wildlife photography which nothing in the Sony line will surpass until the A1iii follows in 3-4 years. I was never one bitter with Sony for lack of firmware updates on the original A1. From the outside we don't know what is possible to add and if the camera does all promised as purchased, then anything later added is a bonus, and not to be expected.
@@Jonathantuba No doubt if I actually "need" to buy today then A1ii is hands down the one to get.
I am in the situation where I don't "need" it. A7RV is getting me by and A1ii is more of a "want" and can probably wait a little. A7V is around the corner. Rumor says Q1 2025.
Couple years ago my intent was to buy an A1 but got to play with the A7RV that just released. The improved AI AF + 4-axis screen made a big enough feature difference. A1 felt bit lacking despite being the superior camera. Had I bought the A1 sooner then saw the A7RV later then I'd be jealous & bit regretful not having the AI AF + 4-axis screen.
A1ii fan response is rather conflicting. Many voice disappointment calling it a minor refresh and R5ii/Z9 offer mostly the same for much less etc. Doesn't make it very encouraging when deciding to buy or not. Guess it boils down to what features you prioritize/value more.
nothing new here, sony have taken taken items from Panasonic, Olympus & fuji and stuffed them in the A1.2 pretty ingenious Sony. I have these features in the aforementioned cameras, but you now have them in one camera. cool.
Thanks for sharing . Yes I think making the majority of the Sensors puts them in a unique position to use everyone's tech. 🤔
@@CamillaI absolutely spot on :)
Image perspective is depended, I don't think there is anything to be jealous of (at 0:37). It's average image in average scene, but nothing in perspective of spectacular.
Photos that are winning awards, could make you beeing jelaous of. :)
PS. My personal opinion: Calling you a "local wildlife photographer" is a little of unkind.. Saying such words about another photographer like that is unacceptable even if you would 100% be joking. I have no freaking idea, but that's a serious problem, how high ego SOME of these people have, who visited just even once African safari, and after that they feel as they are now in a "National Geographic photographers" category xD That's crazy. No hate, I am always objective in my statement.
Jonathans Hippo shot on my "what equipment to take on Safari" video came second in a major Competition, and one a thousand pounds. The First prize was 10K 😠.
You could say the shot at 0:37 is just a few cats in the tracks. But the depth of field having the two lead Cats in focus and the rest behind in deep rutted pale dusty tracks takes it to another level. But we will see. I believe Jonathan will be entering that one into competitions in due course . Beauty of course is in the eye of the beholder and it's my subjective opinion, but I think he has another winner there 🤔
@@CamillaI I've seen a leopad killing an aligator holding it's head in the mouth, looking straight into camera. That was a thrilling photo. If we now compare these cats just walking to that, you know.. If you make a trip to safari, you always will come with some great photos, but these are like a photos you suspect coming back with. Still, I don't like jokes around other people, and it's not like I have no distance, because I am known of beeing a humoristic guy, who jokes a lot, but I feel a small drop of pinch when he called you "local photographer".
@@pentagramyt417 My channel "Camilla & I" is all about local Accessible wildlife photography , which is what Jonathan was referring to not my level of photography. I have two pics in the final of this years BWPA for example which Jonathan has admired it is certainly not just about going abroad to get the shots. Not on "Camilla & I" anyway
Having one person panned completely left and the other panned completely right makes this basically impossible to listen to on headphones.
Dam, I haven't listened to it on head phones, two microphones. Sorry must be tech cock up !
These guys spend money on cameras that'll supposedly make them better photographers, not audio equipment.